Legislature(2013 - 2014)CAPITOL 106

03/01/2013 08:00 AM House EDUCATION


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*+ HB 138 LAYOFF NOTICES FOR TENURED TEACHERS TELECONFERENCED
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+= HJR 1 CONST. AM: EDUCATION FUNDING TELECONFERENCED
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               HJR 1-CONST. AM: EDUCATION FUNDING                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:41:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GATTIS announced that the  final order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE  JOINT  RESOLUTION  NO.  1,  Proposing  amendments  to  the                                                               
Constitution of  the State  of Alaska relating  to state  aid for                                                               
education.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:42:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOSHUA  DECKER,  Attorney,  American  Civil  Liberties  Union  of                                                               
Alaska  (ACLU-Alaska),  said   he  previously  submitted  written                                                               
testimony on  February 21, 2013  and did not have  any additional                                                               
testimony.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:43:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KRISTINA JOHANNES,  read from  the following  prepared statement,                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     My name is  Kristina Johannes and I am in  favor of HJR
     1. I represent myself.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     This   amendment  will   remove  a   clause  from   our                                                                    
     constitution that unnecessarily  restricts the right of                                                                    
     the  legislature to  define public  purpose in  view of                                                                    
     the conditions prevailing at each  time in our history.                                                                    
     There is  no good  reason to  keep this  restriction on                                                                    
     our legislature  in place.  It is  not required  by the                                                                    
     federal constitution.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Our  legislators should  have  the  maximum freedom  to                                                                    
     make decisions.  This is a great  opportunity to effect                                                                    
     that change.  Legislators already have this  freedom in                                                                    
     regards  to  the  other  public  purposes;  why  should                                                                    
     education   be   any   different?   Barrie   White,   a                                                                    
     constitutional convention  delegate, urged  the removal                                                                    
     of  this clause  warning  that it  would  lead us  into                                                                    
     trouble. I think his warning  was prophetic. Because of                                                                    
     this clause,  the Alaska  Supreme Court  has restricted                                                                    
     the  right  of  the  people  to  debate  the  issue  of                                                                    
     educational reform.  That's why it is  necessary to not                                                                    
     only remove this  clause but to also  insert the clause                                                                    
     that  clarifies  to the  Courts  that  the people  want                                                                    
     their  freedom   back.  I  ask  you   to  support  this                                                                    
     amendment.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:44:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
AMY WALKER  provided a brief  background, noting she has  been an                                                               
Alaska  resident  since 1969  and  a  property owner  and  Palmer                                                               
resident  since  1982.   She  said  that  she home  schooled  her                                                               
children.    However,  during  the same  timeframe  she  and  her                                                               
husband  paid taxes  for public  schools  as well  out of  pocket                                                               
expenses  for home  schooling their  children.   She offered  her                                                               
support for  equal freedom  for all  parents, including  ones who                                                               
choose  educational choices  outside  the  public school  system.                                                               
All  parents  should have  the  opportunity  to choose  the  best                                                               
education for  their children.   Therefore,  parents who  wish to                                                               
use private  schools should  receive tax  credits or  vouchers to                                                               
enable  them to  enroll their  children  in the  school of  their                                                               
choice  without necessitating  any  additional financial  burden.                                                               
In conclusion, she  offered her support for HJR 1  as well as SJR
9,  which  would  help establish  equal  educational  freedom  in                                                               
Alaska [through vouchers].                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  asked for clarification on  whether she is                                                               
testifying  that private  schools should  receive vouchers  or if                                                               
she believes individual home school  parents should receive funds                                                               
to provide education at home.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. WALKER  responded that she  supports funds  being distributed                                                               
to  parents  who send  their  children  to  any type  of  private                                                               
school, including home school parents.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:47:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JENNIE  HAMMON  said she  testified  last  week but  offered  her                                                               
support  for  HJR  1.    She  offered  her  belief  that  she  is                                                               
responsible  for  the education  of  her  children, but  also  to                                                               
understand the  cost of education.   As  the parent of  a special                                                               
needs child, she  expressed concern over the cost  to educate her                                                               
daughter.   She  found  a  more effective  way  of educating  her                                                               
daughter even  though this choice costs  her family approximately                                                               
$8,000 in  educational expenses for  her special needs  child and                                                               
other child.   Still,  she and  her husband  decided this  is the                                                               
best solution to educate their  children, which is one reason she                                                               
supports HJR  1.   She emphasized that  all children  and parents                                                               
should have  the opportunity [to  choose].  She pointed  out some                                                               
families who  also attend  Cook Inlet  [Academy] are  not wealthy                                                               
and  experience  a daily  [financial]  burden  [to educate  their                                                               
children].   She concluded that  this resolution will  help other                                                               
families.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:48:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RICHARD  KOMER, Senior  Attorney,  Institute  for Justice  (IAJ),                                                               
stated the  IAJ has  been in  existence for 21  years and  he has                                                               
been  an  advocate  for  school choice  programs  for  20  years,                                                               
including  any  legal  impediments  to  them.   He  said  he  has                                                               
testified during the past several  sessions in Alaska on the need                                                               
to  pass a  resolution  to  remove the  constitutional  bar -  or                                                               
rather an interpretation  of the bar by the  Alaska Supreme Court                                                               
(ASC)  [for vouchers].   While  there are  compelling reasons  to                                                               
believe the  ASC has misinterpreted  the Alaska  Constitution, it                                                               
is the  nature of  the judicial system  that the  ASC's decisions                                                               
are final unless  their decision is reversed by the  court or the                                                               
people overrule  the court's interpretation by  amending Alaska's                                                               
Constitution.   He  stated  that  HJR 1  would  amend the  Alaska                                                               
Constitution  to  open  up  the   possibility  of  school  choice                                                               
programs  in  the  state  that are  currently  precluded  by  two                                                               
erroneous  decisions by  the ASC.    On a  national scale,  three                                                               
other states have repealed the  Blaine Amendment, [which bans the                                                               
use  of  public  funds  to support  sectarian  private  schools],                                                               
similar  to  HJR  1, including  Louisiana,  North  Carolina,  and                                                               
Arkansas.   The New York's  highest court also has  overruled its                                                               
earlier  decision on  a much  more restrictive  Blaine Amendment.                                                               
In fact, this  [resolution] is not unprecedented  and would allow                                                               
the  legislature  to consider  whether  to  create school  choice                                                               
programs  to  provide  additional educational  opportunities  for                                                               
Alaskans.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GATTIS asked if he had written testimony to submit.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KOMER  answered  no,  but offered  to  submit  testimony  he                                                               
previously presented to other committees.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:51:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  asked for  a  percentage  of states  that                                                               
repealed  the Blaine  Amendment  through  popular initiative  who                                                               
have subsequently enacted a voucher system.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KOMER  said  only  three states  have  repealed  the  Blaine                                                               
Amendment  and of  those, two  states  implemented school  choice                                                               
legislation:    Louisiana and  North  Carolina.   North  Carolina                                                               
implemented  a  special   education  scholarship  program  funded                                                               
through   tax  credits   provided   to   taxpayers.     Louisiana                                                               
implemented  a  variety  of programs  and  expanded  statewide  a                                                               
program  previously  limited  to   New  Orleans.    Additionally,                                                               
Louisiana has a special education  program for those with certain                                                               
disabilities, as well as offering a tax deduction program.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:53:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  asked how  long  it  took for  these  two                                                               
states to implement their programs.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KOMER  answered that  it  took  some decades  before  school                                                               
choice bills were passed, although  in Louisiana it took a threat                                                               
to a  textbook program that  provided textbooks to  all Louisiana                                                               
students to challenge  the Blaine Amendment.  In  fact, fear that                                                               
the program might be repealed led  to the state repeal the Blaine                                                               
Amendment.  The Louisiana  Supreme Court  upheld the  program, he                                                               
said.  He recalled the timeframe  was 1920 and the newest program                                                               
for school choice occurred in the 1990s.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:54:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAT MORETH  spoke in opposition  to HJR 1.   She stated  that she                                                               
also believes in  choice and attended a  private school; however,                                                               
she is concerned  about the process.  She  expressed concern that                                                               
this resolution  has a  heavy urban slant  and does  not consider                                                               
rural  areas.    She  explained that  urban  areas  have  choices                                                               
available  through neighborhood  schools, local  charter schools,                                                               
and private  schools choices,  although parents  may need  to pay                                                               
for private  schools.  She  said that  the economies of  scale of                                                               
larger urban  communities in Alaska make  those choices possible.                                                               
She expressed further concern that  money earmarked for education                                                               
could be diverted if educational  choices are offered outside the                                                               
public system.  Further, she  expressed additional concern on the                                                               
effect of reduced funding for  established schools, especially in                                                               
rural parts of the state.   She understood the challenges schools                                                               
face  and   the  desire   for  additional   educational  choices.                                                               
However, a  better approach might  be to promote support  to help                                                               
local schools meet the needs  of local communities statewide.  In                                                               
Alaska, each  school district is  different so it's  important to                                                               
proceed  carefully  with  a  statewide  outlook  to  ensure  that                                                               
Alaska's Constitution  covers all education in  existing schools.                                                               
It's  important,   but  also  challenging  to   ensure  the  same                                                               
opportunities  exist  in  rural  and urban  school  districts  in                                                               
Alaska.  She  emphasized that the Alaska  Constitution should not                                                               
be casually  amended.  In  conclusion, she stressed the  need for                                                               
legislators to keep the "big picture" in mind.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:57:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID BOYLE  spoke in support  of HJR 1  since he believes  HJR 1                                                               
will foster competition within the  educational system and loosen                                                               
the  grip of  special interests  in  education.   He offered  his                                                               
belief that education is a  monopoly and the Blaine Amendment has                                                               
a sordid history such that  it represents an anti-Catholic, anti-                                                               
Irish, and  anti-immigrant background and  in the early  1900s it                                                               
was even  supported by  the Ku  Klux Klan.   He said,  "Alaska is                                                               
better than  that.  This  is a  battle between those  who support                                                               
the best education  for all Alaska's children and  those who want                                                               
to maintain their  stranglehold on the education  industry to the                                                               
detriment of  many Alaskans."   Further, he suggested  this issue                                                               
is about  power and control.   He  recalled that Bob  Chanin, the                                                               
general counsel  for the NEA-Alaska  said in his  farewell speech                                                               
in 2009:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
      It is not because of our creative ideas.  It is not                                                                       
       because of the merit of our positions.  It is not                                                                        
     because we care about children.   And it is not because                                                                    
     we have  a vision  of a great  public school  for every                                                                    
     child.  NEA and  its affiliates are effective advocates                                                                    
     because we have  power and we have  power because there                                                                    
     are more  than 3.2  million people  who are  willing to                                                                    
     pay us  hundreds of  millions of  dollars in  dues each                                                                    
     year because  they believe that  we are the  union that                                                                    
     can more effectively represent them.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. BOYLE said:                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Ask me  about the Alaska Native  grandmother who wanted                                                                    
     to get her two daughters  out of a failing neighborhood                                                                    
     school.  Ask  me about the African  American father who                                                                    
     had just enrolled  his son in a  failing middle school.                                                                    
     Ask me about  a father who called me late  at night who                                                                    
     was  being told  he should  enroll his  daughters in  a                                                                    
     failing  school.   Ask me  about the  failing principal                                                                    
     who  stated  he  gets  the  leftover  "crap"  from  the                                                                    
     charter schools.   These are known stories.   There are                                                                    
     hundreds of  unknown stories.   Some  previous speakers                                                                    
     have  said  that  allowing Alaskans  to  vote  on  this                                                                    
     constitutional amendment  is a  "lousy idea."   Was the                                                                    
     PFD a lousy idea?  Was  lowering the voting age to 18 a                                                                    
     lousy idea?   I  don't think so.   Please  let Alaskans                                                                    
     vote.   Pass HJR 1 out  of the committee.   I thank you                                                                    
     for  the opportunity  to speak  on this  very important                                                                    
     resolution.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:00:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GLENN  PRAX  stated he  has  reviewed  the language  in  Alaska's                                                               
Constitution,  with  respect to  education,  which  he thinks  is                                                               
defective.   He  said it  is impossible  to avoid  "sect" control                                                               
with a central funding source,  which is Alaska's current funding                                                               
mechanism.   He said it is  pretty evident that the  NEA controls                                                               
the school  system, which is  a sect of  the population.   Thus a                                                               
small group controls  the educational funding.   He suggested one                                                               
way to  change this is to  disperse the control, which  should be                                                               
held by parents in  order to avoid a takeover of  the system.  He                                                               
offered  his  belief  that  the  goal  in  creating  [educational                                                               
funding in]  Alaska's Constitution was  sensible, but he  did not                                                               
think it was possible to  achieve [fairness] with the centralized                                                               
school system.   Currently, the centralized system  is the public                                                               
school system,  which he  maintained is  controlled by  a "sect".                                                               
He expressed  concern that novel  ways to approach  education are                                                               
not being pursued,  recalling ones a previous  testifier found to                                                               
educate her  special needs  child.   He maintained  that numerous                                                               
ways  to provide  education are  not  being explored  due to  the                                                               
aforementioned centralized school system.   He concluded that the                                                               
best way  to solve  this is to  disperse educational  funds other                                                               
than by using centralized sources.  He thanked the committee.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:03:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAIGE HODSON  spoke in opposition to  HJR 1.  She  said her three                                                               
children went through the Anchorage  public school system and she                                                               
did not think Alaska's educational  system is broken.  She became                                                               
involved  in  the  Parent Teacher  Association  (PTA)  since  she                                                               
believes community  involvement and in involvement  in education.                                                               
She offered her belief that if  something isn't working it can be                                                               
"built up",  but she  viewed HJR 1  as "tearing  down" education.                                                               
The state has shortchanged education  in the budget process since                                                               
it has  not inflation proofed  education.  She  expressed concern                                                               
that HJR  1 would  remove funds from  public schools  which could                                                               
damage children  and the  community.  She  related a  scenario in                                                               
which  the   school  district  couldn't  afford   to  fix  school                                                               
facilities, including  a crumbling ice  rink and pool  which were                                                               
unsafe so  the PTA  raised money  to fix them.   She  suggested a                                                               
better  approach  is to  "build  up"  the  public schools.    She                                                               
emphasized  the importance  of separation  of  church and  state.                                                               
she  expressed concern  that the  majority of  the schools  [this                                                               
resolution will affect are religious  based schools].  She stated                                                               
that public schools enroll all  children, regardless of religion,                                                               
disability,  or  language since  public  schools  are charged  to                                                               
provide  education.   Further, she  anticipated legal  challenges                                                               
will happen with  passage of HJR 1.  In  conclusion, she said she                                                               
did not believe most people  want to amend Alaska's Constitution,                                                               
recalling   that  voters   recently  rejected   a  constitutional                                                               
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COURTNEY   MARCHESANI,   Administrator,   Bridgeway   Educational                                                               
Services  (BES),  stated  that  BES targets  at-risk  youth  with                                                               
learning  differences.   She  related  that  she attended  public                                                               
school.    She  suggested  that   education  needs  to  be  owned                                                               
collectively and every family wants  the best education for their                                                               
children.    In  fact,  as   children  are  growing  up,  parents                                                               
continually  question   whether  they  are  obtaining   the  best                                                               
education for their children.   She characterized this issue as a                                                               
heated  topic  statewide,  one   that  is  also  being  discussed                                                               
throughout  the  nation.   Parents  "cross  their  fingers"  when                                                               
lotteries  for  charter  schools  are  held,  hoping  that  their                                                               
children will  be selected for the  one or two slots  open slots.                                                               
Parents continually try to improve  school processes and parental                                                               
involvement  equals  vested  interest  so  these  parents  invest                                                               
energy  to   provide  the  best  education   possible  for  their                                                               
children.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARCHESANI reminded members that  everyone has the same goal.                                                               
She  said she  is honored  to work  at BES  to support  teachers,                                                               
families, and students.  The BES  serves 18 students who have not                                                               
been  able  to seek  the  traditional  school setting  or  attend                                                               
charter  schools  in Anchorage.    In  this small  but  effective                                                               
program teachers  offer language  arts, math strategies  and many                                                               
curricula, as  well as providing  field trips for students.   The                                                               
program has taught students classroom  survival skills, which are                                                               
priceless  for students  who cannot  learn  in traditional  ways.                                                               
She cautioned  that even highly  intelligent students  who cannot                                                               
learn in  conventional ways can get  left behind.  In  fact, even                                                               
Albert Einstein was  dyslexic and autistic, but  he developed his                                                               
solutions are created real world  solutions through music and his                                                               
equations are still used today.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARCHESANI  said that BES  exists as an ancillary  support to                                                               
the Anchorage  School District (ASD).   She explained the  BES is                                                               
not  a  stand-alone school,  but  provides  resources, through  a                                                               
vendor  partnership that  helps  exhausted  parents and  hopeless                                                               
kids who are  looking for effective learning solutions.   Some of                                                               
the BES  parents have been  desperate to find the  best education                                                               
for their  children.   She described some  of the  problems these                                                               
educationally-challenged children face.   Thus the voucher system                                                               
could provide a valuable asset  to these families currently being                                                               
served.    She offered  her  belief  that  vouchers are  not  the                                                               
problem; instead,  the real  problem is  that some  children fall                                                               
through the  cracks when  their parents  cannot afford  a private                                                               
school education.   The  voucher system  could provide  an answer                                                               
for  some  parents,  but  would  not  cripple  the  local  school                                                               
district.   In fact, the  voucher system  has been used  in other                                                               
districts to serve children with  special needs and allow them to                                                               
thrive.   She  reiterated the  voucher system  will not  hurt the                                                               
local  school  district, but  would  make  it stronger  and  more                                                               
resilient.  She  concluded that this [resolution]  could create a                                                               
"win-win"  situation.    She  thanked  members  for  their  time,                                                               
commitment, and service.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SEATON  asked   her  to   forward  her   written                                                               
testimony.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:12:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KELLY  WALTERS spoke  in opposition  to HJR  1.   He offered  his                                                               
belief  that HJR  1 is  a misnomer  since parents  currently have                                                               
choices  with  respect  to their  children's  education.    Under                                                               
current law,  parents who wish to  send their child to  a private                                                               
school have  the right to  do so  but they must  pay for it.   He                                                               
stated  that the  American  Legislative  Exchange Council  (ALEC)                                                               
crafts legislation that serves to  put forward a radical ideology                                                               
that isn't  necessary.  He  expressed concern that  the Anchorage                                                               
School  District (ASD)  lost $25  million  in funding.   He  also                                                               
expressed  concern  that the  resolution,  if  passed, would  use                                                               
public  funds for  private  religious  schools, which  represents                                                               
political action on  the part of churches.   He expressed further                                                               
concern  that some  churches and  institutions  don't pay  taxes,                                                               
which was addressed in an opinion  piece by one of the authors of                                                               
Alaska's Constitution, Vic  Fisher.  He maintained that  HJR 1 is                                                               
a solution for  a non-existent problem and could  limit funds for                                                               
public  schools.   He suggested  this issue  is related  to other                                                               
legislative issues,  including the reduction to  oil taxes, which                                                               
reduces state  revenues, and would  limit education funding.   He                                                               
characterized the  [voucher] decisions  as a "comedy  of errors",                                                               
which stemmed from  the ALEC organization.  He viewed  ALEC as an                                                               
organization  that crafts  "boiler plate"  draft legislation  for                                                               
partisan  use.   He summarized  that the  state cannot  afford to                                                               
change the  Alaska Constitution or deteriorate  public dollars by                                                               
using public  funds for private,  religious schools,  which blurs                                                               
the line of church and state.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:16:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TAMMY SMITH stated  her opposition to HJR 1.   She suggested that                                                               
placing  a  referendum   on  the  ballot  to   amend  the  Alaska                                                               
Constitution  would allow  public funds  to be  used for  private                                                               
schools, corporations,  or church schools without  the benefit of                                                               
a  full  public  discussion.   She  said  this  is  unacceptable.                                                               
Legislators,  as stewards  of the  Alaska Constitution,  have the                                                               
responsibility to ensure  entities are administered appropriately                                                               
and are protected, including the  public school system.  Further,                                                               
legislators are  obligated to the  state's interest.   Therefore,                                                               
allowing a  poorly vetted bill  to move to  a vote of  the people                                                               
would be  short-sighted, when little or  no information regarding                                                               
its impact is known.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SMITH asked  a  series of  questions,  including what  costs                                                               
would be associated with a  voucher program, if state regulations                                                               
would  be  required,  if  other   states'  voucher  programs  are                                                               
functioning, and whether protections  exist for special education                                                               
or discrimination.   She further asked for  the voucher program's                                                               
student achievement  and successes as compared  to public schools                                                               
or  religious-based schools.   She  expressed concern  that these                                                               
are  unknowns.     She  agreed  that  the   public's  opinion  is                                                               
important,  but only  when Alaska's  citizens are  fully informed                                                               
and assured  that the  public schools are  kept from  great harm.                                                               
Certainly,  there  are many  ways  to  improve public  education,                                                               
including  working with  educators to  improve teacher  education                                                               
programs  and creating  opportunities  for innovative  practices.                                                               
She  supported the  concept of  a four-day  week.   She suggested                                                               
other approaches  could be taken  instead of passing HJR  1, such                                                               
as  increasing   the  length  of  time   students  are  learning,                                                               
reinforcing family  and school partnering, and  delivering a rich                                                               
and varied curricula, all of  which are better choices for public                                                               
schools than instituting a voucher system.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:18:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND queried  about  the  parameters for  the                                                               
vouchers.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. SMITH responded  that HJR 1 doesn't place limits  on the type                                                               
of school  that could benefit  from public funds.   She suggested                                                               
that the  parameters should be  developed prior to a  public vote                                                               
on the resolution.  In  response to Representative P. Wilson, she                                                               
clarified that the legislature is  responsible for the protection                                                               
of  public education  system  in Alaska  and  to ensure  adequate                                                               
funding for public schools in each community.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD  stated numerous states  have implemented                                                               
voucher systems.   She recommended  reviewing Florida's  model of                                                               
reforms  since  children  who  were  previously  poor  performers                                                               
benefited the most.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GATTIS asked her to submit written testimony.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. SMITH offered to do so.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:21:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WANDA LAWS  spoke in opposition  to HJR 1.   She stated  that she                                                               
has  lived in  Alaska  since  1974, but  her  father  was in  the                                                               
military for  30 years so she  traveled a lot and  has attended a                                                               
number of other schools.   She said Alaska's public school system                                                               
has served her  well and she was able to  participate in numerous                                                               
programs, including many after school  programs.  She offered her                                                               
belief  Alaska's  public school  system  is  a good  system  even                                                               
though  many programs  she benefited  from have  since been  cut.                                                               
She  surmised these  programs would  be especially  beneficial to                                                               
single parents.   She questioned  Alaska funding  private schools                                                               
at a time  when the public school funding  is shrinking; however,                                                               
she pointed out  she did not object to private  schools, just the                                                               
concept  of  funding private  schools  with  public funds.    She                                                               
wondered  whether  the private  school  voucher  system would  be                                                               
affordable for  low-income families  in the  event all  costs for                                                               
private  schools  could   not  be  covered  by   vouchers.    She                                                               
questioned  whether   criteria  would   be  developed   to  avoid                                                               
discrimination in terms of race,  special education, or religion.                                                               
After all,  public schools admit  everyone, she said.   She asked                                                               
whether teacher certification for  private schools would be equal                                                               
to  public teacher  certification standards.   For  these reasons                                                               
she questioned  the wisdom  of funding the  voucher system.   She                                                               
acknowledged  the  benefits  of   giving  parents  some  options;                                                               
however,  she  wondered  if the  public  understood  what  school                                                               
choice and voucher systems actually  mean or if parents will only                                                               
learn this when families  must provide out-of-pocket supplemental                                                               
funding to  cover the costs  of private schools.   In conclusion,                                                               
she also  wondered if the  voucher schools actually  will benefit                                                               
the  parents who  can afford  to send  their children  to private                                                               
schools and currently choose to do so.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:26:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX asked whether she  serves as an officer for                                                               
the National  Association for the  Advancement of  Colored People                                                               
(NAACP)  and if  so,  whether the  NAACP has  an  opinion on  the                                                               
Blaine Amendment or voucher systems, in general.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAWS  agreed she serves  as the  President of the  NAACP [but                                                               
she is  speaking on behalf  of herself  today.]  She  offered her                                                               
belief that  the NAACP would  oppose HJR  1.  She  explained that                                                               
her   personal  opinion   is  aligned   with  the   association's                                                               
perspective on HJR 1.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:27:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEVE  EVENSON,  Vice   President,  Northwest  Religious  Liberty                                                               
Association - Alaska  (NRLA), expressed his concern  about HJR 1.                                                               
He referred  to language in HJR  1 that is removed  from existing                                                               
statute [page  1, lines 8-10],  which read  [original punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
       [NO MONEY SHALL BE PAID FROM PUBLIC FUNDS FOR THE                                                                        
        DIRECT BENEFIT OF ANY RELIGIOUS OR OTHER PRIVATE                                                                        
     EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION.]                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. EVENSON said he appreciates  being an American and having the                                                               
separation of  church and  state.  He  expressed concern  that if                                                               
public  funds  are channeled  to  private  schools, especially  a                                                               
church-oriented school,  the line between church  and state would                                                               
become blurred.   He questioned  whether the state  would dictate                                                               
what and  how the private  school must  teach.  He  observed that                                                               
private schools  are often specialized  with programs  by funding                                                               
availability.   In fact, there  is a distinction  between private                                                               
and public schools and the  funding should be separated, he said.                                                               
He  stated he  would oppose  the  resolution if  funding for  the                                                               
private institutions  would occur.   In  response to  a question,                                                               
Mr.  Evenson   responded  that  he   lives  in  Alaska   and  his                                                               
organization represents private religious schools.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:30:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND  requested additional  information  from                                                               
his organization and  the stance that he and  other members hold,                                                               
which  she  surmised is  in  opposition  to mingling  public  and                                                               
private funds.   She suggested  a resolution from  the membership                                                               
would be helpful to the committee.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. EVENSON offered  to provide the information  on the Northwest                                                               
Religious Liberty Association.   He agreed that  other members of                                                               
his  organization also  oppose  HJR  1, due  to  the mingling  of                                                               
public and private funds.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GATTIS asked  him to provide information to  her office for                                                               
distribution to committee members.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:31:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  asked whether the membership  list for the                                                               
Northwest Religious Liberty Association is public.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  EVENSON   replied  that  membership  names   could  be  made                                                               
available.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GATTIS  clarified that Representative LeDoux  is interested                                                               
in the names of the schools not a list of the entire membership.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:32:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON asked  whether  private  schools would  be                                                               
required  to adhere  to national  standardized  tests, which  are                                                               
based  on the  common core  curriculum.   He  asked whether  that                                                               
would  be   problematic  for  the  Northwest   Religious  Liberty                                                               
Association (NRLA).                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. EVENSON answered he is most  familiar with the schools he has                                                               
been involved  with for 30  years.  These schools  are accredited                                                               
and are being  served by accredited teachers.  He  said the focus                                                               
has been to ensure the schools  meet the standards.  However, his                                                               
concern about HJR 1 stems  from governmental funds being provided                                                               
to religious  schools and blurring the  separation between church                                                               
and state.   He outlined  his primary concern is  that government                                                               
may ultimately  impose constraints on  private schools.   He said                                                               
he values  education and  his sons  have attended  private school                                                               
systems and  have earned masters'  degrees.  Thus  he appreciated                                                               
the  benefits of  private  schools, but  he  also recognized  the                                                               
benefits of  public schools  and the  advantages of  each system.                                                               
However, he maintained his concern  over the blurring between the                                                               
separation of church and state.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON remarked  he  did not  wish  to imply  the                                                               
schools Mr.  Evenson is affiliated  with are not accredited.   He                                                               
specifically  wondered how  the new  common core  standards being                                                               
adopted, with  national standardized testing on  these curricular                                                               
standards  and  whether private  schools  would  adhere to  these                                                               
standards.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. EVENSON clarified  that the schools he is  most familiar with                                                               
administer the Iowa Basic Tests.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:35:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON understood  his concern is  that future                                                               
state  legislatures  might  dictate the  curriculum  for  private                                                               
schools under [the  voucher system] for HJR 1.   She said she did                                                               
not object to  teaching from the Bible so long  as students learn                                                               
skills.  She asked him to pinpoint his fears.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  EVENSON   responded  that  private   schools  exist   for  a                                                               
particular reason and focus.   Additionally, private schools face                                                               
challenges  such as  financial  resources  and typically  special                                                               
education is not available.   Certainly, the public funding would                                                               
be advantageous;  however, government may raise  issues over time                                                               
on  how funding  is spent  and dictate  how a  school, such  as a                                                               
church-operated private school, must operate, he said.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:38:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD  asked  whether his  organization  is  a                                                               
national or Alaska-based organization.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  EVENSON   answered  that  the  NRLA's   headquarters  is  in                                                               
Battleground, Washington.   He explained that  the Capital Pastor                                                               
Network  operates  in  Montana,  Idaho,  Washington,  Oregon  and                                                               
Alaska and  participates in the  NRLA.  The NRLA  participates in                                                               
discussions on  private schools,  employment issues  that pertain                                                               
to  religious  beliefs.    He  related that  he  serves  as  Vice                                                               
President for Alaska.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD also  asked for  a list  of schools  and                                                               
organizations that the  NRLA represents in Alaska.   She asked if                                                               
he could mention any schools in Alaska.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. EVENSON  answered that he  pastors two churches in  Sitka and                                                               
Juneau that  operate small  schools.  In  fact, the  schools each                                                               
have one  teacher.  He  offered his  belief that the  church sets                                                               
high standards and  the school functions well.   His organization                                                               
represents six schools in Alaska.   He maintained that the reason                                                               
for the private schools is to  have the freedom to educate and to                                                               
maintain religious freedom.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:41:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LIZ  DOWNING  spoke in  opposition  to  HJR  1.   She  said  that                                                               
vouchers are not a "win,  win" situation, as previously suggested                                                               
by an  earlier testifier.   She stated Alaska is  independent and                                                               
different.   Alaska has  experienced many  years of  budget cuts,                                                               
including significant  cuts to  career technology  and electives,                                                               
such that  students now  have fewer  choices.   In the  past five                                                               
years,  the   state  has  enhanced  career   technology  and  has                                                               
developed  a forward  thinking approach  on funding,  as well  as                                                               
considering what  will best serve  students, she said.   Vouchers                                                               
may work in some states  with greater populations, but in Alaska,                                                               
a  ten  percent  reduction  to  public  education  funding  could                                                               
adversely impact the  quality of education.   Homer just approved                                                               
its  fifth charter  school and  the  district offers  alternative                                                               
schools, home schools, and differentiated  education.  The public                                                               
school  system is  diverse,  supportive,  and implementation  for                                                               
personalized education  is on the  rise.  She just  returned from                                                               
the Alaska  Society for Technology  in Education  (ASTE) meeting,                                                               
where  she  held  numerous  great  discussions.    She  cautioned                                                               
against spending  resources on court battles  over constitutional                                                               
issues [with  passage of HJR  1], which would only  deplete funds                                                               
from the  currently successful schools.   Instead,  she preferred                                                               
an  approach  that would  use  educational  resources to  further                                                               
enhance the  current system, which  could become the best  in the                                                               
world.   She offered her  belief that  Alaska has the  talent and                                                               
the small population to allow  communities to quickly adapt.  She                                                               
urged  members  not to  pass  HJR  1  and  to move  forward  with                                                               
educational  enhancements to  the current  public school  system.                                                               
In response to a question,  she indicated she currently serves as                                                               
Vice  President  of  the Kenai  Peninsula  Borough  School  Board                                                               
(KPBSB)   and   chairs   the   KPBSB's   legislative   committee.                                                               
Additionally,  she  was just  appointed  to  the ASTE  Board  and                                                               
serves as chair of that organization's advocacy committee.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:46:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHRYA SANDERSON, spoke in opposition to  HJR 1.  She related that                                                               
Governor Parnell  came before the  Fairbanks Chamber  of Commerce                                                               
recently.    She  had asked  him  why  he  was  not in  favor  of                                                               
increasing  the base  student allocation  (BSA) and  he responded                                                               
that he  did not  want to  fund something he  did not  feel would                                                               
provide  good returns.    However, she  has  worked in  Fairbanks                                                               
since  1984 as  a graduation  success  coach in  education.   She                                                               
worked for  the Graduation Success  Program for four  years until                                                               
funding  was  cut, even  though  the  program generated  results.                                                               
This program  provided 24 coaches  who served  elementary through                                                               
high school  students.  She  described her work, noting  her case                                                               
load was  approximately 85 students, including  some children who                                                               
had not  been seen for  43 days.    This program was  designed to                                                               
engage families  of at-risk students  to help  minimize behaviors                                                               
that  interfered with  learning, improve  these children's  self-                                                               
esteem, and raise their grades.   Further, she partnered with the                                                               
Fairbanks  Food  Bank  to  ensure   that  her  students  received                                                               
appropriate  meals,  and school  supplies.    Some children  even                                                               
needed clothes  laundered and took  showers at school.   In fact,                                                               
graduation  rates  improved; however,  in  the  last three  years                                                               
without the  program, student's rates  have declined  once again.                                                               
She  offered to  provide  committee members  with  a report  that                                                               
demonstrated  the  program's  success.    She  described  various                                                               
circumstances  of  students  and  how the  program  used  various                                                               
learning  styles   to  teach  children.     She   emphasized  the                                                               
importance of  ensuring that Alaska's  children receive  the best                                                               
education and  was reminded  of the  benefits of  other programs,                                                               
such as the  Head Start program.  She spoke  in opposition to the                                                               
resolution  specifically since  it will  remove funding  from the                                                               
school  districts  that already  struggle.    She reiterated  her                                                               
offer  to provide  a report  to demonstrate  the improvements  in                                                               
graduation rates  during the nine  years the program  operated in                                                               
Fairbanks.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:56:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON acknowledged the  passage of HJR 1 could                                                               
be costly  to the  current state educational  system.   She asked                                                               
whether  the  aforementioned  students would  be  candidates  for                                                               
private schools if vouchers were available.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. SANDERSON surmised that the  children she taught would likely                                                               
remain in the public school system.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:57:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DRUMMOND  asked for  clarification on  the comment                                                               
that "some children were not seen for 43 days."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SANDERSON answered  that several  target  students were  not                                                               
sent to  her classroom.   She later  discovered the  students had                                                               
not been  coming to school because  they weren't able to  live at                                                               
home.   She  described some  of the  efforts she  made to  assist                                                               
children in difficult circumstances.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND  asked about  her  case  load and  asked                                                               
whether that affected her ability to help students.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. SANDERSON  answered that she  was able to move  good students                                                               
to traditional  classrooms to reduce  her caseload and  allow her                                                               
to focus on the core at-risk students.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:01:00 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD  offered her belief that  decisions about                                                               
graduation  coach  staff levels  are  made  at the  local  school                                                               
district level.   Also,  she said  the cost  of a  voucher system                                                               
would not necessarily  cost the state any additional  money.  She                                                               
expressed concern  that Alaska is  investing large sums  of money                                                               
[on education], yet  student performance among the  lowest in the                                                               
nation.   She  related  her  understanding that  the  goal is  to                                                               
invest  in  education,  obtain  a  rate  of  return,  and  review                                                               
programs to ensure the state's investment is sound.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:02:01 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GATTIS  announced that public  testimony would  remain open                                                               
on HJR 1.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
[HJR 1 was held over.]                                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
01 HB 138 Bill Text.pdf HEDC 3/1/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 138
02 HB 138 Sponsor Statement.pdf HEDC 3/1/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 138
03 HB 138 Fiscal Note EED.pdf HEDC 3/1/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 138
04 HB 138 Support - ANC School Dist Feb 2013.pdf HEDC 3/1/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 138
05 HB 138 Support North Star Borough School Dist.pdf HEDC 3/1/2013 8:00:00 AM
15 HJR 1 Letters Opposition.pdf HEDC 3/1/2013 8:00:00 AM
HJR 1
16 HJR 1 Orgs Opposition.PDF HEDC 3/1/2013 8:00:00 AM
HJR 1
17 HJR 1 ACLU Oppose.pdf HEDC 3/1/2013 8:00:00 AM
HJR 1
18 HJR 1 Letter Babcock Support.pdf HEDC 3/1/2013 8:00:00 AM
HJR 1
19 HJR 1 Letter Druce Oppose.pdf HEDC 3/1/2013 8:00:00 AM
HJR 1
20 HJR 1 Letters Support.PDF HEDC 3/1/2013 8:00:00 AM
HJR 1
21 HJR 1 Sponsor Document - Anchorage Press.pdf HEDC 3/1/2013 8:00:00 AM
HJR 1
01 HJR 1-A Bill Text.pdf HEDC 3/1/2013 8:00:00 AM
HJR 1
02 HJR 1 sponsor statement.pdf HEDC 3/1/2013 8:00:00 AM
HJR 1
03 HJR 1 Sectional Analysis.pdf HEDC 2/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/1/2013 8:00:00 AM
HJR 1
05 HJR 1 Sponsor Background.pdf HEDC 2/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/1/2013 8:00:00 AM
HJR 1
06 HJR 1 Lemon v.pdf HEDC 2/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/1/2013 8:00:00 AM
HJR 1
07 HJR 1 Molly Hootch.pdf HEDC 2/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/1/2013 8:00:00 AM
HJR 1
08 HJR 1 SHELDON JACKSON v.pdf HEDC 2/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/1/2013 8:00:00 AM
HJR 1
09 HJR 1 ZELMAN V.pdf HEDC 2/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/1/2013 8:00:00 AM
HJR 1
10 HJR 1 Article Rethinking schools.pdf HEDC 2/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/1/2013 8:00:00 AM
HJR 1
11 HJR 1 Komer Legal Support.pdf HEDC 2/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/1/2013 8:00:00 AM
HJR 1
12 HJR 1 Support Chavous.pdf HEDC 2/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/1/2013 8:00:00 AM
HJR 1
13 HJR 1 NCAAP Oppose.pdf HEDC 2/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/1/2013 8:00:00 AM
HJR 1
14 HJR 1 Letter Veh Oppose.pdf HEDC 2/22/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/1/2013 8:00:00 AM
HJR 1
22 HJR 1 Sponsor Document - Colorado.PDF HEDC 3/1/2013 8:00:00 AM
HJR 1